Anonymous1: @269939: what would you do if a country says you have to delete some tags or your ip is blocked within a whole country so millions of people can't watch it?
Anonymous2: @Erilsium: He would stand up and bravely fight against it putting his neck on the line of course..... pfft. Its easy to be brave from afar.
wiiaboo: @YotsubaGroup: That was an accident. I had no intention of deleting all of his stuff. It got caught up in a sweep of content. I mentioned this at the start of my update.
Anonymous6(1): @wiiaboo: couldn't someone start a petition that we are against their censorship with an explanation why we are against it to the responsible governments or something similar?
Ryder187: @wiiaboo: So will all of Incognitymous's work just be gone forever now? Well that sucks, especially since these are all fictional characters.
Already working on it. I've already spoken out against the laws in question that the Admin mentioned (which are already against the Constitution due to the COPPA and COPA decisions) and wrote letters to my elected officials.
Christopher: @JWN926:
Well, for one thing, it makes sure that absolutely stupid ass laws don't come to the United States.
Second, it makes sure that the United States stays a safe haven for lolicon artworks.
Third..... the admin needs to think about hosting somewhere else than the Netherlands then, if they are going down this stupid ass route of denial of free expression.
Christopher: Sorry to doubt post, but after reading the admin's post, I noted something:
"There was some poorly disguised CP of Penny from Bolt!"
Which pictures specifically? Because I had JUST ripped all those pictures Monday (my usual loli backup of the site since the admin started his anti-loli nonsense) and I just looked through them.
No 'poorly disguised CP' there, unless you are going to say that any picture of Penny from Bolt is CP.
The whole Jade Chan purge is ridiculous as well, he got rid of ALL Jade Chan pictures. Why? It also hit some Penny Gadget pictures where she crossovered with Jade Chan.
I'm just..... incensed and highly disappointed at the admin about this. Same exact bullshit that Hentai Foundry did, when the real issue was that one of their ad networks yarped and they jumped when they said jump.
wiiaboo: @Christopher: Those seemingly low quality realistic Penny images were actual child porn photos edited to have Pennys head on them instead. If you think im doing this because of advertising pressure then you're taking the piss. The site will undoubtedly lose users and ad income as a result of this.
wiiaboo: @Christopher: Also you seem to have missed the point in the Update that stated im looking at alternatives to this situation. I should have clarified that I am looking for alternative HOSTING options. This will be made clearer in the future. For now I just had to bend over and take it up the ass for a few hundred uploads.
biggerstaff: We have stupid ass unenforceable laws coming up because people like YOU, who would be impacted by them, NEVER CALL THEM ON THEIR BULLSHIT. Half the censorship laws on the books would fold like a house of cards in a tornado if people would just challenge them, but most of us do not have anything to challenge them with. You, on the other hand, have a fairly major porn site that makes a perfect test case. If the goddamn pirate bay can stay open with all 3 of it's founders in prison, rehosting this site should be trivially, childishly easy to do. Sorry to sound all shouty and pissed off, but this is exactly NOT how I wanted my day to end today, with the capitulation and cowardice of one of my all-time favorite sites ever. I know this wasn't about ad revenue, don't worry. No government can actually control the internet the way they want to SO LONG AS WE DON'T LET THEM.
Anonymous8: FUCK I hate politicians. They keep lolis for their own and tell other people to fuck off. They approve gay rights but ban lolicon even though it is harmless (no confirmed rape was associated with lolicon obsession). Do not hate the admin guys. They had to face even bigger shit than most of us. Yes i am sad with the deletion of many loli tags but shit, many of them are poorly judged. Last time I checked, Lilo is a primary schooler, not some preschool bitch. But she was deleted anyway no matter how big her boobs was drawn. So i cant see any logic for this bigotry. Probably the admin flipped some shit, drunk with strong Russian Vodka, never leave highschool or some other sorry shit. Shit shit shit now I hate democracy and sjw shit more than ever. I really wish Hitler was alive now. Fuck them Capitalist and politicians to hell. Fuck you and your stupid politicians. Fuck! I dont know any other words than FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!! If this is how it will be, then i better off to the darknet. Thanks politicians, now that lolicons are banned, I might as well search for real CP now. Thank you. thank you all, fuck you and your gay shit. Fuck democracy, fuck everything.
Indeterminate: @biggerstaff: To be fair, biggerstaff, TPB is not a safe haven for pirates anymore. I'm pretty sure most of the torrents on there are actively tracked by law enforcement. If you haven't been hit yet, it's probably mostly because they can't be arsed to follow up every single person who uses them.
Also, I totally understand that the owner doesn't really want to mount the barricades for our right to post loli porn. It still carries quite the stigma and they have a family. It's the users who should contact their representatives. Only if a lot of people being very loud about this will make an impact, not the efforts of one site owner.
@wiiaboo: Oh, that's a bit... Yeah, that's obviously illegal. Now I'm not so sure I want the backup. The loss of Mabel Pines is a bit sad, though.
wiiaboo: @biggerstaff: You have every right to be angry. And while a mass deletion of some tags is indeed a capitulation, I have repeatedly stated that such mass deletions will not happen again in future without more scrutiny of content and without warning. It was a kneejerk reaction as a result of a few perfect storms of negative things. This wont effect 99% of content on paheal
Anonymous9(8): @WeRide: >mabel is 18, dipper is 12. mabel got deleted, dipper is free for all gays to fap.
@wiiaboo:
>This wont effect 99% of content on paheal
i really hope youre drunk right now. from what i see, 99% of all the fun that this site can offer has been affected.
Anonymous12: Kind of counter productive to alienate your userbase and lose people because you're afraid of losing people.
Its easy to get around an IP ban, but how do you get around being fucked in the ass by rule34?
You're just digging your own grave. Regardless, its an endless cycle that has spawned hosting sites like this years ago and years from now, there will be other less ad ridden less censored sites which take the flow of users over, then go shit due to their own popularity and ad value then go down the same as rule34 will.
Anonymous13(12): Kind of counter productive to alienate your userbase and lose people because you're afraid of losing people.
Its easy to get around an IP ban, but how do you get around being fucked in the ass by rule34?
You're just digging your own grave. Regardless, its an endless cycle that has spawned hosting sites like this years ago and years from now, there will be other less ad ridden less censored sites which take the flow of users over, then go shit due to their own popularity and ad value then go down the same as rule34 will.
Also, I understand you worrying about your family and livelihood, but dude, you're just hosting the work of other people, you're a glorified online gallery, choke full of porn and IP misuse (not that I care much for IP laws these days), what are you afraid of? The governments will fuck you over eitherway if moralizing is in their best interest.
Anonymous14(12): Also, I understand you worrying about your family and livelihood, but dude, you're just hosting the work of other people, you're a glorified online gallery, choke full of porn and IP misuse (not that I care much for IP laws these days), what are you afraid of? The governments will fuck you over eitherway if moralizing is in their best interest, however much you bend and say.
Anonymous15: @Christopher: Curious as to why they would wipe ALL Jade Chan pics, as there would be many of the adult version of her, which appeared on the show. Laziness? Or do they consider ANY pic of a character who was portrayed as a child, even if now grown up, to be loli?
FrakkaFukkenFractalz: @Anon10 It's sort of like deviantArt. They erase any and all work that displays underage characters, even if aged up, in pornographic content. They ate my drawings of Hiro. Characters can't be portrayed pornographically if they were originally underage, regardless if they've been aged up. I personally find that ridiculous.
Wolf247: Well I'm ok with some of it. After all, it's time to remove some of the beastiality and sadism, because too much is too much. I like some of the forbidden fruit, and they may be going too far, or you're going too far by submitting to them. But we still have a lot of fucked up shit, and yet people yap about some totally irrelevant bullshit.
scary_one: It's clever when you boil it right down. Slowly censor the internet's pornography. Start with the obvious, any artwork displaying fictional under-aged characters (in spite of the fact that's ALL fictional characters), and call anyone who finds it a stupid idea a pedophile. next lets get rid of the ability of anyone to view pornography at all and call anyone who disagrees a child abuser for allowing sites to exist that a child could possibly stumble on to. next let's start copy writing any government debates so that no one can display them and give their own 2 cents on the subject. Oh and while no one's paying attention let's just cross out that whole first amendment entirely, because at this point why the fuck not?
SpunkMaster69: This is so fucking stupid. The deletions are terribly inconsistent, and the logic behind them makes no goddamn sense. NONE of the characters being represented in loli/shota art are real. Absolutely NOBODY is being harmed by them.
If I wanted things censored, I wouldn't come to a fucking cartoon porn site with images of naked people getting their heads torn off. I like guro a lot, but how come that's okay, yet loli art featuring happy girls isn't?
Christopher: @SpunkMaster69:
Exactly. All Jade Chan artwork is gone, yet all Penny Gadget (same age range in a lot of the pictures) is still here.
Fireside Girls (Phineas & Ferb) stuff is still up yet other stuff is not.
It appears that the rules are not being properly enforced and that mods are just getting lazy and they go the "Well, there was a picture that was CP!" (BS, I have ALL the Penny from Bolt pictures and none are CP as defined in America)
Christopher: @wiiaboo:
Except that it HAS in the real world. The CORRECT position to take on this is to tell the people in question "GTFO HARD!"
As numerous other websites are doing today that are NOT ad-supported and have said that they NEVER WILL BE ad-supported because of that faggotry.
Anonymous17: Just think of the children!?!M!>!M! They can't possibly understand pron!?!FJ@F! But it's fine if they see super violence of course. Nudity is pure EVIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!
WeRide: @Calvar: When you say "All of those truly loyal to Paheal will stay" you mean "All those damn lolicons will be gone and we can begin the worship of our big breasted overlords" then yes. They will stay.
Anonymous18: I understand administrator's concerns, but... What if some character is underage, but you draw it to look of legal age? That should be legal in any case, because if not then we can delete lots of things. It seems like some characters were wiped out, but there were lots of cases where it was drawn legal.
Anonymous19: I just wanted to say, zenmate is an easy free VPN for browsers that has US routing to avoid Euro faggotry.
Tor is slow but also usable for seeing content.
Don't take shit from governments. I implore wiiaboo to try and find hosting in the US. Gelbooru is hosted in the US IIRC, and has no issues with their content. Sadpanda is also US-hosted I believe, and as everyone knows that place has some downright insane material.
Ask the webmasters of these sites about their hosts if you can. I'm sure their hosts wouldn't mind more business.
Once you get US-based hosting, block countries that are trouble, but set up some simple links to free VPNs and the tor browser website for workarounds. The governments of those countries will be powerless to stop you really, and their citizens will still have easy access to the site despite you technically blocking them.
Anytime the government fucks with you, always look for a way to fuck back. Technology is too open and adaptive to allow dogooders control over you. Especially those pissants in Europe who think they're hot shit yet can't seem to understand how fucking economics work.
halosnake238: I never once heard in the news a child abuser or molester or watever say "I abused this little boy/girl because I went to this website and saw this picture of a guy/girl having sex wit jade chan and thought I could do that to so y not?" Putting a law against child abuse is ok but how does it make sense when the child is fiction!? Ur protecting a fictional child! Y not just protect a fictional country too, I hear thundera could use some help... something about an evil ruler
0157h7: The worst part about all this is that political elite and their celebrity friends are almost UNIVERSALLY kiddy diddlers themselves, and they're mostly ugly old men who nobody would be caught dead with, thus they have to engage in the illicit trade of orphans, foster care kids, kids from warzones and the 3rd world, refugees, and the like. Always remember, governments don't act because what you do is "bad", they act because they want to keep their monopoly.
Anonymous23(12): Rule34: There is porn of everything except if it inconveniences the add companies that give me $ inexchange for exploiting porn junkies.
EmperorCatz: @SpunkMaster69: Exactly, unless someone tries to disguise cp like upload@wiiaboo: mentioned I don't see why these governments think trying censor fictional content is somehow gonna improve things.
CrotchboobAddict: anon15@ - It's mostly true, these people can be even worse because they have connections and sit on a low of power + people with power are often psychopaths, remember this famous british guy that could molest children for years.
Then they crack down on harmless lolifans because they want it to look like they have high moral standards... lol, a politician with moral standards.. They know what the sheeps want to hear.
If anything, it'll make it worse. Now a bunch of people won't have an outlet for their fetish. I would NEVER hurt a child and it is NEVER acceptable to do so, but there are people that would. With their outlet gone, who knows what they might do? This could INCREASE child molestation for all we know.
Which is moronic, because unlike these cartoon girls, those girls are REAL. Do people not know the difference between fiction and non fiction?
ThunderFap: the worst part is not knowing what you can even post anymore. is this a ban of the characters themselves that are UA or just when they look UA, does this effect you when you make a UA character older or vice versa with an older character? why ban Vanellope and not Taffyta or Mabel but not pacifica? what are the rules here? NONE of that is made clear. but i dont like where its headed, it feels like this'l end up like FA/Tumblr all over again. and i had faith this site would never do that.
ebin: @EmperorCatz:
Yeah, if you're following some law, why not do so equally? I understand the site has existed for the sake of the rule, but it seems now it's not really so.
This site has been my go to place to scratch many itches. It's sad to see it fall down year after year.
CaptainBoomer: People are upset about censorship, so they shit on the victim of censorship.
Don't shit on wiiaboo, faggots. Go write your fucking congressman.
Thirty seconds of research turned up this study:
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10508-010-9696-y
Find some more, do some canvassing, and actually take action, or shut up and come to terms with the new state of affairs.
Farfegnugen: You don't have to tell when, because in most cases it had already happened. You don't have to tell us the reason, because it usually comes down to someone from the EU asked you to removed images for certain character or it's looks too CP-ish, like Bolt's Penny.
What we want from you, Admin, Mod, whom the fuck ever, is what was deleted. Was it Jade Chan? Was it GR? WE DON'T FUCKING KNOW BECAUSE YOU ASS APES NEVER SAY SHIT TO US. IT'S LIKE WE HAVE TO BE IN YOUR INNER-FUCKING-CIRCLE TO KNOW ANYTHING. AND THIS IS THE KIND OF SHIT THAT PISS PEOPLE OFF. wiiaboo said heavy handed shit like that didn't mean to happen and then it fucking happens again.
Noka: So...why is it that my image which was basically this except much cruder banned with the reason "not_rule34, no characters can be accurately identified." and yet this is allowed to stay?
Yet another thing that pisses people off: applying rules when it suits you rather than applying rules all the time, morons.
GeneralSinn: Someone ought to draw this site fucking itself by having too many stupid conditions - e.g. no softcore porn unless there aren't 60 pornographic images, no original content, no pictures that aren't pornographic enough, blah, blah, blah. It's amazing how repressed this site actually is, and what the fuck is this site's problem with Cartoon Valley? Cartoon Valley has a plethora of great content that should be on here, unfortunately, I point back to my initial remark about this site being ridiculously and ironically oppressed.
Anonymous24: @wiiboo I cant login in properly. I created my username and password and it says it taken. What in blazes is wrong with the login feature. Can you help!?
Anonymous26: Jesus fuck you weirdos have terrible morales... Beating yourself off to child Porn aka loli/shotacon is not acceptable. Stop with this "it's not hurting anyone" bullshit, its still wrong no matter how hard you try to make it look ok.
Anonymous28: /@Wiiaboo Please stop mass deleting the loli/shota pics! That's part of the reason I ever come here! Words cannot describe my frustration and displeasure that such a thing as this is happening! You wiped out every conoghi pic and half of HalcyonWinter's pics! Please stop!
DARQ: So, is this place going the way of dumblr then, I say we archive as much as we can.
I for one HATE censorship of any type, I remember that S.J.W's from Twit were bragging that they were coming to
this site to shut it down....I guess this is the first step sadly.
Most to all the uncensored HQ commissions that I paid for from Conoghi have been banned, I can't re-post anymore.
I was hoping that we could set up a donation poll or something so that they wouldn't need advertisers..
Anonymous33: I’ve finally reached the bottom of this comment wall.
No reward, but let me just say this:if this site dies down, it will die down in the biggest blaze of glory.
Anonymous43: @TinyToonFan9: If you still take this site seriously, I don't know what you tell you. You've had a literal decade to figure out this place is run by jackasses.
Lovehcomics: Thing is, ISPs/countries blocking entire domains instead of specific pages is the level of cluelessness or just not giving a fuck you expect from bureaucrats. Italy's recent debacle of essentially making it illegal to run an ISP is Titanic+Iceberg levels, though.
I guess we can also use PB (The Permanent Booru) to avoid the heavy censors. I probably should read all the comments first, but it feels like we should try to remain calm and rational, and take measures to prevent this issue in the future. :(
I kind of wish we had tags for content people are likely to blacklist, but they'd have to be limited to stay within site standards.
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Ban tall girls with big breasts.
I don't see why the fuck they would nuke ALL his stuff, why the fuck single him out?
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No? Ok. I'll join you in a minute.
WHAT all of Incognitymous's work? Wow. That's harsh
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Already working on it. I've already spoken out against the laws in question that the Admin mentioned (which are already against the Constitution due to the COPPA and COPA decisions) and wrote letters to my elected officials.
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Well, for one thing, it makes sure that absolutely stupid ass laws don't come to the United States.
Second, it makes sure that the United States stays a safe haven for lolicon artworks.
Third..... the admin needs to think about hosting somewhere else than the Netherlands then, if they are going down this stupid ass route of denial of free expression.
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"There was some poorly disguised CP of Penny from Bolt!"
Which pictures specifically? Because I had JUST ripped all those pictures Monday (my usual loli backup of the site since the admin started his anti-loli nonsense) and I just looked through them.
No 'poorly disguised CP' there, unless you are going to say that any picture of Penny from Bolt is CP.
The whole Jade Chan purge is ridiculous as well, he got rid of ALL Jade Chan pictures. Why? It also hit some Penny Gadget pictures where she crossovered with Jade Chan.
I'm just..... incensed and highly disappointed at the admin about this. Same exact bullshit that Hentai Foundry did, when the real issue was that one of their ad networks yarped and they jumped when they said jump.
I'm suspicious that is what is going on here.
In any case, this deserves a feature.
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Also, I totally understand that the owner doesn't really want to mount the barricades for our right to post loli porn. It still carries quite the stigma and they have a family. It's the users who should contact their representatives. Only if a lot of people being very loud about this will make an impact, not the efforts of one site owner.
@wiiaboo: Oh, that's a bit... Yeah, that's obviously illegal. Now I'm not so sure I want the backup. The loss of Mabel Pines is a bit sad, though.
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@wiiaboo:
>This wont effect 99% of content on paheal
i really hope youre drunk right now. from what i see, 99% of all the fun that this site can offer has been affected.
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How do you explain http://rule34[DOT] xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=1598734
Its easy to get around an IP ban, but how do you get around being fucked in the ass by rule34?
You're just digging your own grave. Regardless, its an endless cycle that has spawned hosting sites like this years ago and years from now, there will be other less ad ridden less censored sites which take the flow of users over, then go shit due to their own popularity and ad value then go down the same as rule34 will.
Its easy to get around an IP ban, but how do you get around being fucked in the ass by rule34?
You're just digging your own grave. Regardless, its an endless cycle that has spawned hosting sites like this years ago and years from now, there will be other less ad ridden less censored sites which take the flow of users over, then go shit due to their own popularity and ad value then go down the same as rule34 will.
Also, I understand you worrying about your family and livelihood, but dude, you're just hosting the work of other people, you're a glorified online gallery, choke full of porn and IP misuse (not that I care much for IP laws these days), what are you afraid of? The governments will fuck you over eitherway if moralizing is in their best interest.
>shota stuff like young Link and the like is a-ok to stay
What gives?
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If I wanted things censored, I wouldn't come to a fucking cartoon porn site with images of naked people getting their heads torn off. I like guro a lot, but how come that's okay, yet loli art featuring happy girls isn't?
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Exactly. All Jade Chan artwork is gone, yet all Penny Gadget (same age range in a lot of the pictures) is still here.
Fireside Girls (Phineas & Ferb) stuff is still up yet other stuff is not.
It appears that the rules are not being properly enforced and that mods are just getting lazy and they go the "Well, there was a picture that was CP!" (BS, I have ALL the Penny from Bolt pictures and none are CP as defined in America)
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Except that it HAS in the real world. The CORRECT position to take on this is to tell the people in question "GTFO HARD!"
As numerous other websites are doing today that are NOT ad-supported and have said that they NEVER WILL BE ad-supported because of that faggotry.
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With that said, Paheal is on a steady decline now. Sad to see, but hey that's politics for ya.
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Tor is slow but also usable for seeing content.
Don't take shit from governments. I implore wiiaboo to try and find hosting in the US. Gelbooru is hosted in the US IIRC, and has no issues with their content. Sadpanda is also US-hosted I believe, and as everyone knows that place has some downright insane material.
Ask the webmasters of these sites about their hosts if you can. I'm sure their hosts wouldn't mind more business.
Once you get US-based hosting, block countries that are trouble, but set up some simple links to free VPNs and the tor browser website for workarounds. The governments of those countries will be powerless to stop you really, and their citizens will still have easy access to the site despite you technically blocking them.
Anytime the government fucks with you, always look for a way to fuck back. Technology is too open and adaptive to allow dogooders control over you. Especially those pissants in Europe who think they're hot shit yet can't seem to understand how fucking economics work.
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Then they crack down on harmless lolifans because they want it to look like they have high moral standards... lol, a politician with moral standards.. They know what the sheeps want to hear.
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If anything, it'll make it worse. Now a bunch of people won't have an outlet for their fetish. I would NEVER hurt a child and it is NEVER acceptable to do so, but there are people that would. With their outlet gone, who knows what they might do? This could INCREASE child molestation for all we know.
Which is moronic, because unlike these cartoon girls, those girls are REAL. Do people not know the difference between fiction and non fiction?
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Yeah, if you're following some law, why not do so equally? I understand the site has existed for the sake of the rule, but it seems now it's not really so.
This site has been my go to place to scratch many itches. It's sad to see it fall down year after year.
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Don't shit on wiiaboo, faggots. Go write your fucking congressman.
Thirty seconds of research turned up this study:
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10508-010-9696-y
Find some more, do some canvassing, and actually take action, or shut up and come to terms with the new state of affairs.
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What we want from you, Admin, Mod, whom the fuck ever, is what was deleted. Was it Jade Chan? Was it GR? WE DON'T FUCKING KNOW BECAUSE YOU ASS APES NEVER SAY SHIT TO US. IT'S LIKE WE HAVE TO BE IN YOUR INNER-FUCKING-CIRCLE TO KNOW ANYTHING. AND THIS IS THE KIND OF SHIT THAT PISS PEOPLE OFF. wiiaboo said heavy handed shit like that didn't mean to happen and then it fucking happens again.
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Yet another thing that pisses people off: applying rules when it suits you rather than applying rules all the time, morons.
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Better get on that then, Franky. There's lots of crap on this site.
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I for one HATE censorship of any type, I remember that S.J.W's from Twit were bragging that they were coming to
this site to shut it down....I guess this is the first step sadly.
Most to all the uncensored HQ commissions that I paid for from Conoghi have been banned, I can't re-post anymore.
I was hoping that we could set up a donation poll or something so that they wouldn't need advertisers..
No reward, but let me just say this:if this site dies down, it will die down in the biggest blaze of glory.
I guess for all of Wiiaboo's retardation, he follows the old saying: keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer.
The fact people now get censored on this site for saying what this MOD say 9 years ago shows this site is only getting worse by the day.
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I guess we can also use PB (The Permanent Booru) to avoid the heavy censors. I probably should read all the comments first, but it feels like we should try to remain calm and rational, and take measures to prevent this issue in the future. :(
I kind of wish we had tags for content people are likely to blacklist, but they'd have to be limited to stay within site standards.